Subject	This doesn't surprise me.
Posted by	eriksu9 on May 29, 2018 at 8:53 AM
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In Reply To	MSP Manifolds soon to be more valuable than gold :-O posted by ZXoltan on May 24, 2018 at 11:26 AM
Message	Not in the least. After the fuel rail debacle, No one should be surprised... ****CURRENT DYNO RESULTS AS OF 11-18-13 JWT SPORT 700BB TURBOS- 514 RWHP/468 FT TORQUE ON 93 PUMP GAS @ 18 PSI Wiseco 87.5 mm pistons, head work ****OLD DYNO RESULTS: GT28R TURBOS- 438 RWHP ON 93 OCTANE PUMP GAS/STOCK MOTOR**** ****472 RWHP ON 110 RACE GAS******************************* Also own: 1990 Nissan 300zx twin turbo 550rwhp pump gas @ 18psi 2001 Harley Davidson Custom Softail Deuce 1993 Nissan 300ZX 2+2 NA 1988 Yamaha FZR1000 (10k original miles) 2000 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer XLT 1999 Acura TL w/ nos 1991 Yamaha YZ250 Sold: 1985 Ford Bronco 3" lift 35" tires 1986 Yamaha FJ1100 1986 Nissan 300zx na(Z31) 1979 280ZX 2+2 1972 MGB 1968 Pontiac Firebird 1972 Nissan 240Z, dual webber carbs, etc
Follow Ups	MSP Manifolds soon to be more valuable than gold :-O - ZXoltan 11:26:59 05/24/18 $2K - ouch... (n/m) - CarolinaZ_TT 11:39:10 05/24/18 How greedy (n/m) - Placuch 11:53:23 05/24/18 because you work for what it costs you to work right? - LJZTT 11:02:32 05/26/18 Hey, they told me MINE were the last set! - schuss 12:34:39 05/24/18 Mine were 995 at Coz almost exactly a year ago. (n/m) - schuss 17:35:55 05/24/18 That's ridic (n/m) - FrozTTy 12:46:37 05/24/18 you can bet MS isn't seeing any of this profiteering (n/m) - vorpalZ 13:24:35 05/24/18 and I'm not getting a cut from the dividends his financial - LJZTT 16:50:18 05/24/18 Nobody stopping him from getting back into it. - ZUL8R 11:03:21 05/25/18 It HAS been copied already, the quality just isn't there - schuss 13:30:19 05/25/18 or get a set of Ashspecs which are essentially the same (n/m) - LJZTT 19:43:37 05/25/18 no, they're not (n/m) - vorpalZ 20:47:41 05/26/18 This. (n/m) - MixManMash 08:23:23 05/27/18 from a functional perspective they absolutely are - LJZTT 09:13:24 05/27/18 From a 'functional' perspective a Honda and a Lamborghini - vorpalZ 23:01:01 05/27/18 depends on your requirements - LJZTT 14:23:53 05/28/18 chuckle, I also am not taking that position - vorpalZ 22:52:25 05/28/18 "ESSENTIALLY" != "virtually" - LJZTT 14:40:57 05/29/18 well if that's the *only* criteria - vorpalZ 16:35:28 05/29/18 it isnt, I bought according to my criteria, didn't I? - LJZTT 19:30:14 05/29/18 Oh man. Don't get me started on those Z1 hoses. - MixManMash 17:52:53 05/30/18 pulling the engine in a 1car garage AFTER discovering "oops" - LJZTT 18:23:06 05/30/18 Same. Not to mention the run around they gave me... (n/m) - MixManMash 18:30:04 05/30/18 umm...i think performance is a function of funtion. - ForceFedTT 15:15:21 05/28/18 and do they outperform custom manis? no - LJZTT 11:56:02 05/29/18 It's advisable to focus on breathing when hyperventilating (n/m) - ForceFedTT 17:11:10 05/29/18 here I am having a conversation and you think people are - LJZTT 19:33:21 05/29/18 There are no feasible measures to protect his IP. - Bernie (NoVA) 22:28:51 06/05/18 But are they as pretty? (n/m) - schuss 12:01:26 05/28/18 How much did they used to cost? I genuinely don't know. (n/m) - Zeus 14:08:09 05/24/18 I believe mine were 650 but that was 8 years ago. (n/m) - michaell32 (FL) 14:27:05 05/24/18 That sounds more reasonable. Quite the jump... (n/m) - Zeus 14:48:15 05/24/18 actually they originally sold for somewhere around 900-1100 - LJZTT 16:11:52 05/24/18 This. I paid 900ish for my first set. (n/m) - MixManMash 17:16:55 05/24/18 Yep. I got mine at $650 when MS produced a large batch to - ForceFedTT 15:17:13 05/28/18 i paid $650 for my last set. (n/m) - Musashi Sword 06:38:07 05/25/18 2nd, paid $650 on last group buy (n/m) - 300MPH 14:30:17 05/25/18 Re: MSP Manifolds soon to be more valuable than gold :-O - OleMissFan 14:24:57 05/24/18 Capitalism - nothing wrong with it (n/m) - ztunerz 16:09:43 05/24/18 ^^^ This. Why is this such a hard concept for people? (n/m) - Madhatter10-6 20:52:15 05/24/18 I might pay 2k if I thought they were real. (n/m) - ZUL8R 10:56:49 05/25/18 But you all bitch when someone buys AMS for less $$ (n/m) - xpwarrior 22:13:33 05/24/18 capitalism does not equal reverse engineering (n/m) - gt300zxtt(Jax) 08:02:08 05/25/18 Sure it does. (n/m) - xpwarrior 09:49:43 05/25/18 2nd - ZXRider 12:49:27 05/25/18 actually in the US it does if you choose not to file for - LJZTT 10:40:20 05/26/18 done by a Canadian company from a Chinese factory... sure - vorpalZ 20:51:14 05/26/18 our border policies may not have taxpayer interests in mind - LJZTT 09:10:50 05/27/18 Enforcement authorities, unfortunately, face difficulties... - mysticLegoZ 14:27:19 05/27/18 it isn't they "can't"...they "don't" - LJZTT 15:51:21 05/29/18 Straw man. (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 22:43:59 06/05/18 yup. (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 22:43:28 06/05/18 AMS aren't capitalists they’re pirates. (n/m) - zantar 08:27:14 05/25/18 meh...while it was a dick move, there are ways to protect - LJZTT 19:45:36 05/25/18 It wouldn’t have mattered - -Grimm- 10:43:09 05/26/18 well if you dont even try, you basically are assuming - LJZTT 10:48:43 05/26/18 Except he's an official reseller selling way above the MSRP. (n/m) - Aqualung 13:04:45 05/25/18 Most reseller rules just prohibit underselling... - schuss 13:28:06 05/25/18 google "SUGGESTED" (n/m) - LJZTT 10:49:29 05/26/18 You could buy a decent running car for that lol (n/m) - Joe@Dewla_DeZign 00:04:29 05/25/18 I would much rather have a set of Ash's manis (n/m) - wh0sjeff 00:20:50 05/25/18 Im sorry for your loss (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 06:55:16 05/25/18 Seriously. (n/m) - CameronSF 10:39:45 05/25/18 Loss as in money? I have a set and the quality is good. - Mr.Stacy 10:09:19 05/27/18 Have you tried to install them yet? (n/m) - ConVerTT 16:57:48 05/27/18 not yet. Did I miss something? I know there is some - Mr.Stacy 05:09:20 05/28/18 yes - here are my 3 big issues - ConVerTT 04:24:46 05/29/18 Thanks for the taking the time to write this up. I truly - Mr.Stacy 08:43:57 05/29/18 Re: Thanks for the taking the time to write this up. I truly - ConVerTT 08:47:26 05/30/18 PS >>> Packaging for shipping - ConVerTT 10:24:28 06/01/18 Re: Have you tried to install them yet? - wh0sjeff 00:48:22 05/29/18 Relax man! I retract my earlier comment about low - ConVerTT 04:40:21 05/29/18 LOL! (n/m) - RoidRage76 00:14:31 05/28/18 Foolishness - ConVerTT 10:24:40 05/25/18 I like good products - ZXRider 12:50:48 05/25/18 I would but I can’t spare em (n/m) - ConVerTT 16:58:33 05/27/18 Understood. You know where to find me - ZXRider 11:01:11 05/28/18 Re: Foolishness - wh0sjeff 09:25:15 05/27/18 LOL - relax man... - ConVerTT 04:35:13 05/29/18 I'll give someone a smoking deal on my set - Stanky (BC) 09:46:08 05/25/18 canadian dollars? (n/m) - ConVerTT 10:25:28 05/25/18 Murica' money (n/m) - Stanky (BC) 14:29:29 05/25/18 What happened to ASH's new ones? What were they going - Zblackbeast 12:04:36 05/25/18 Coz continuing to be a ****. Glad I stopped buying from him. (n/m) - Aqualung 13:02:29 05/25/18 Wish I was sitting on 20 set of them...heck even two of them - ZXoltan 14:00:48 05/25/18 Everyone can complain but you'd all do the same.. - Stanky (BC) 14:35:53 05/25/18 ^this (n/m) - GrecV2 15:50:40 05/25/18 If that were true, someone would have already done it. - ZUL8R 20:10:55 05/25/18 it still true, the real reason I wouldnt do it is because - LJZTT 10:52:34 05/26/18 Speak for yourself only - Brad(RI) 17:49:22 05/27/18 I dont think I speak for myself only.... - Stanky (BC) 13:17:22 05/28/18 Re: MSP Manifolds soon to be more valuable than gold :-O - NIVO88T 15:06:02 05/25/18 Lol. No such thing as "gouging" on non-essential products (n/m) - GrecV2 15:51:13 05/25/18 shame this has to be pointed out (n/m) - LJZTT 12:59:06 05/26/18 Haha TRUE! (n/m) - ForceFedTT 15:23:37 05/28/18 I just installed mine today, after sitting on the shelf for - Inzane 19:24:51 05/25/18 That is AWESOME to hear! - ConVerTT 19:50:44 05/25/18 That is the hope, the dream, the loosely thrown together - Inzane 20:28:30 05/25/18 I just found my set when I was cleaning the garage!! (n/m) - Josher 21:59:56 05/25/18 I've had a NIB set underneath my bed for years. Bought them - 240Z FeO2 08:47:19 05/26/18 Yup, same thing. I’ll probably never use them. - Josher 18:37:34 05/26/18 Sell them to me :) (n/m) - ZXRider 11:00:28 05/28/18 Mike Smith just needs to produce another batch - Gennosuke 22:43:23 05/25/18 obviously they aren't exactly flying off the shelves - LJZTT 10:11:42 05/26/18 True. Seems that CZP is just sitting on some inventory that - ForceFedTT 15:36:11 05/28/18 yep (n/m) - LJZTT 15:34:12 05/29/18 Greed is Life (n/m) - ZonaZ 09:09:33 05/28/18 An entire page of posts about some expensive manifolds - compirate 12:31:48 05/28/18 Welcome to tt.net! - vorpalZ 23:15:34 05/28/18 Yep. This is old school TT.net - ForceFedTT 17:13:47 05/29/18 But when you have this many posts about something as - compirate 18:18:15 05/29/18 A full page of posts about anything is a treat... - Ted (92TT) 22:12:17 05/29/18 Lol LJ. Sooo true (n/m) - ForceFedTT 14:33:21 05/30/18 False, all my internal arguments are long ago settled! - LJZTT 17:43:40 05/30/18 I miss Kenny? (n/m) - MixManMash 17:53:36 05/30/18 Get off of my yard! (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 21:52:56 05/31/18 This doesn't surprise me. - eriksu9 08:53:42 05/29/18 oh F that. Stupid pricing. (n/m) - SkiFly01 11:51:32 05/29/18 to be honest we have been living on the top shelf of - LJZTT 12:01:03 05/29/18 I own an M car, I know the stupid prices. - SkiFly01 12:06:48 05/29/18 True, BMW brand is exploited that way, but Corvette - LJZTT 15:40:26 05/29/18 Audi A3 rearview mirror $500+ WTF?? - Ted (92TT) 21:48:24 05/29/18 funny to read the idiot press parroting the german govt's - LJZTT 22:44:07 05/29/18 Before she got it, she thought an "Audi" was a belly button. - Ted (92TT) 23:56:01 05/29/18 Lol. Not a belly button, but a 4 ringed circus. (n/m) - MixManMash 17:58:57 05/30/18 But the Gwagen is so baller. If I could afford it, I would - MixManMash 17:56:44 05/30/18 I'm more of a unimog fanboy myself, gotta go big (n/m) - LJZTT 18:23:49 05/30/18 I've seen a few of those big boys for sale around here. - MixManMash 18:28:54 05/30/18 Don't forget the diamond encrusted dubs - vorpalZ 07:47:55 05/31/18 I love it in the AMG 6x6 trim. - ConVerTT 10:26:28 06/01/18 not much, 1 divorce plus a 26yr old trophy wife (n/m) - LJZTT 11:52:11 06/01/18 i wanna build a honda just cause o could do it for 10 bucks (n/m) - wh0sjeff 07:12:39 06/03/18 o o o i mean I (n/m) - wh0sjeff 07:14:24 06/03/18
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